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caia_comica last night, which led to me thinking about Booster as a knight in golden glowing enchanted armor, and the picture just won't go away, which would be less of an issue if I could draw. Or if I was going to write it. Which I'm not. Especially since trying to translate Beetle into the same context is giving me a headache, even though Guy translates just fine with his magic sword. (Okay, so technically what's he's got is already a magic ring, but what's the point if people stay the same? Besides, I like visualizing Guy with a magic sword.) But just having Booster and Guy would be a disaster. So I'm not thinking about this. Really.
caia_comica last night, which led to me thinking about Booster as a knight in golden glowing enchanted armor, and the picture just won't go away, which would be less of an issue if I could draw. Or if I was going to write it. Which I'm not. Especially since trying to translate Beetle into the same context is giving me a headache, even though Guy translates just fine with his magic sword. (Okay, so technically what's he's got is already a magic ring, but what's the point if people stay the same? Besides, I like visualizing Guy with a magic sword.) But just having Booster and Guy would be a disaster. So I'm not thinking about this. Really.
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Date: 2004-10-19 11:16 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2004-10-19 11:31 am (UTC)Translating the Bug would be depend on how faithful one wanted to be; I can't think of a genre way to keep it as group transport, but it could conceivably work as Ted's personal flying mount.
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Date: 2004-10-19 11:36 am (UTC)Essentially an artificer?
I do understand your combat/no combat issue with Ted. See, usually warmages are the ones who learn offensive spells, etc. and throw them during combat. Ted wouldn't work as someone who casts offensive spells as it seems that his magic would be entirely focus based. Therefore, you'd have to create a background that would allow him to learn both fighting skills as well as the magical knowledge allowing him to create magic items. At which point... eh.
MAGIC CARRIAGE IN THE SKYYYYY.
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Date: 2004-10-19 11:48 am (UTC)(As a female fantasy warrior, Fire's clothing sense would also translate without any problem.)
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Date: 2004-10-19 11:51 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-10-19 12:00 pm (UTC)Right. I mean, okay, he could create those things for himself, but that's still kind of missing an element; Ted does use his gadgets as part of being the Blue Beetle, but he doesn't base his fighting style on them the way Guy and Booster do. Ted really wants to be able to hit people. And if he doesn't get to, he whines.
MAGIC CARRIAGE IN THE SKYYYYY.
I was actually thinking of a magic creature. A winged horse was actually the first thing that came to mind, but maybe something more reptilian (not a dragon, because that's too powerful). Strictly speaking it should be an actual bug, I know, but I don't care. Am not postulating giant insects.
On the other hand, a magic carriage might not be unworkable, either...
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Date: 2004-10-19 12:03 pm (UTC)Also, man. No. Giant magical bug. It would be great. *giggling*
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Date: 2004-10-19 12:09 pm (UTC)Well...but...even if there weren't so many things ahead of it on the list, I can't write it if there's no Ted, right?
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Date: 2004-10-19 12:11 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-10-19 12:23 pm (UTC)Also, man. No. Giant magical bug. It would be great. *giggling*
I CANNOT DEAL WITH GIANT BUGS. Giant bugs belong in horror movies, where they need to be shot as many times as it takes for their giant-bug-legs to stop twitching. They are absolutely not allowed to have heroes ride on them, because my brain flails at the ickiness.
(Okay, granted, Ted having a giant magical beetle would be wholly appropriate to the comedic tone appropriate to translating JLI. I still don't care. I don't do insects.)
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Date: 2004-10-19 12:29 pm (UTC)I honestly have no idea. All I've read of early!Ted is what was in Secret Origins #2: Blue Beetle I & II, which totally glosses over, oh, Ted having a personality. So... I don't know. Hm. Possibly it's like. Oh hell. I don't know. Let me think on this one.
Also, giant magickal bug. *stamps foot*
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Date: 2004-10-19 01:03 pm (UTC)By other people I mean "people who are not me either" because I can't write high fantasy.
*grins* Well, it wouldn't be high fantasy any more than JLI was the Silver Age JLA. Comedic fantasy, I'm thinking, with them bickering straight through the entire process of killing the bandits/dragon/Dark Lord.
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Date: 2004-10-19 01:16 pm (UTC)*googles* Several people say--and I don't know if this is stated somewhere or if they're just assuming--that after the death of Dan Garrett, Ted put himself through a rigorous course of physical training in order to become the Blue Beetle. *thinks about this* Was this touched on in #52, maybe, or the other issues where he gets overweight? I can't check till I get home...
Also, giant magickal bug. *stamps foot*
No giant magickal bug. Not even if it comes in a pretty shade of blue. It would still be a bug. *crosses arms and looks firm*
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Date: 2004-10-19 01:50 pm (UTC)Which, you know, say Ted is the third son or something in a relatively aristocratic line and gets essentially apprenticed to a mage (Dan Garrett) who dies before his training is complete, and Ted takes it upon himself to... that's about where my high fantasy "pulling shit out of my ass" ability gives in.
In other news, Scott transfers over to the fantasy story as a straight D&D-style rogue remarkably well.
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Date: 2004-10-19 01:51 pm (UTC)(J'onn could be a good dragon!)
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Date: 2004-10-19 02:05 pm (UTC)*scampers off*
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Date: 2004-10-19 03:09 pm (UTC)In 52, I believe, it was mentioned that he first got into shape in college, though not that he learned combat techniques then...
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Date: 2004-10-19 05:33 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-10-19 09:13 pm (UTC)(If that was meant to convince me? Not working. *shudders*)
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Date: 2004-10-19 09:33 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-10-19 09:42 pm (UTC)*lightbulb goes off*
Dan is killed by someone with defenses against magic. (Or the ability to stop magic from working, either way.) Which makes him an easy target (comics-Dan mainly worked off a magic amulet, right?) and means that Ted is helpless to stop it--or protect himself, either--because he's got no physical skills. So, while not abandoning his magical studies (probably cutting back on them because he's only got so much time and energy, though), he applies himself to combat training for the first time, to make sure that never happens again. Yes?
In other news, Scott transfers over to the fantasy story as a straight D&D-style rogue remarkably well.
Hmm. I'm not sure--I have trouble seeing Scott stealing from people, which is one of the standard jobs for a rogue, and also I've never seen a rogue who dressed quite that eyecatchingly. ;) (Not that the characters would be wearing their standard costumes, of course, but it seems like some elements of the visuals ought to transfer.) But I don't have a better slot for him, either.
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Date: 2004-10-19 09:53 pm (UTC)As for Scott, I was thinking from a purely skill-set angle (I also had the D&D class system, so forget I brought it up. :)), but you know. His background "Vaguely princey thing of some foreign country, kidnapped by a country hostile to his..." blah blah works pretty well in paradigm also.
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Date: 2004-10-19 09:55 pm (UTC)J'onn could be a good dragon!
On the other hand, what would he need the rest of the team for? (Okay, okay, that applies throughout JLI, and in fact a dragon would be less versatile than J'onn's actual skillset, although he has more of an option of Sudden Mass Death. But maybe he doesn't like inflicting Sudden Mass Death...)
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Date: 2004-10-19 09:56 pm (UTC)DL
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Date: 2004-10-19 09:57 pm (UTC)Also, I just. Yes. Lord Maxwell, who sends them on quests and oh. Goodness. I just. *tittering*
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Date: 2004-10-19 10:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-10-19 10:18 pm (UTC)*glares*
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Date: 2004-10-19 10:26 pm (UTC)plots ways to encourage you
Atom as an Imp, Batman as a Black Knight, Wonder WOman fits as an Amazon, Skeets could be a elemental spirit chosen to help Booster, Captain Marvel could be a Priestor a paladin, Doctor Fate already is a wizard, maxwell lord could be Lord Maxwell, a Lord trying to gain fame and power in the land by backing a team, a group of heroes to oppose the evil that is coming, the great and powerful demon Darkseid!
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Date: 2004-10-19 10:27 pm (UTC)I'll see what I can do. Any specific requests? There's a lot of possibilities...
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Date: 2004-10-19 10:44 pm (UTC)On the one hand, this amuses me like you wouldn't believe. On the other hand, fantasy does not have automatic opposition to killing, and while the heroes will certainly still have differing opinions on when it's appropriate or necessary, pitched battle will not be one of those times. So I'm trying to work out if I can plausibly have everyone else in the group merrily slaughtering orcs or whatever, while J'onn is refusing to use his capacity for Mass Death (which would have the same end result with less risk to his companions). It's a particular problem in the leader slot (and the idea of the dragon being in charge of everyone else really, really entertains me; I want to keep that if at all possible).
Also, I just. Yes. Lord Maxwell, who sends them on quests and oh. Goodness. I just. *tittering*
In order to get them the hell out of his kingdom? *snickers* Okay, that's maybe a little limited in the translation. At the very least I'm sure Max appreciates them bringing back fabulous magical relics that they acquired in the quests. Still...I'm sure there's always that edge of relief as they vanish across his borders. Somewhat lessened by the strong possibility they're going to rob/offend/assassinate the ruler of a neighboring country in the course of what they're doing...
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Date: 2004-10-19 11:34 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-10-20 01:07 am (UTC)because scarab pushing the sun around
so if you kept that and the blue you could drop the insectness and maybe pick up from a different sun myth a creature you like better, or just stick with the really big boat theme that most cultures seem to like. Or giant chariot. but usually those are really hard to steer and tend to burn up the countryside.
also he would have light based spells for blinding with, like his flash gun.
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Date: 2004-10-20 01:09 am (UTC)adds compressed air blasts and frictionless foam
both neat spells
OK - rough draft
Date: 2004-10-20 09:11 pm (UTC)Tell me how to upload a picture and I'll send you a decent jpg.
Re: OK - rough draft
Date: 2004-10-21 07:35 am (UTC)Two, you place it somewhere on the net--if you don't have webspace, you can set up an account at www.photobucket.com. Then you can put it in an LJ comment or post using the code "img src="http://www.example.com/image.jpg"/" with brackets instead of quotes at the beginning and end.